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markpeg |
Election 2008: Obama vs McCain |
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It starts today. Barack Obama vs John McCain for President of The United States of America. Young, Black, Let's-Pull-Out-Iraq-Right-Away, Liberal vs Old,
White, I'm-Gonna-Keep-The-Troops-in-Iraq-for-the-Next-Five-Years, Conservative. Let's talk about it on this thread!
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Date: June 9th, 2008
I think the war in Iraq is the main issue. ..the american people have to decide.. .it is a contest to get the most Votes on the scoreboard... It is exciting news that the general election in America is in only about 150 days from now ! ...McCAIN says the war is mostly won and that we must protect the Iraqi people, McCAIN says 'the surge' has worked nicely and the surge has helped get things going better in Iraq. OBAMA is famous for an early anti-war speech. McCAIN says the surge has worked and defeated the enemy army. OBAMA says the war was a blunder and it doesn't matter at all if the surge worked or not,..because the war is wrong. The Voters must decide if the war in Iraq is a win,... or a blunder. Each night America,..all the Tv sets have on a big story about the contest to win the WHITE HOUSE,... the 'o8 american election campaign is front page news,.. .after the summer Olympic games sports news from CHINA,.. .there are many 'back-to-school-school-clothes' Ads on the Tv,.. ...and the Tv News story topic is back to the McCAIN for President theme about 3 quick years, .....and then a new run for the WHITE HOUSE,.. .the Tv hosts always chat a few minutes about Hillary's chances for victory in 2012,.. ....she will be just 64 years old in 2012,... btw London will host the 2012 Olympic games. ,Stardettes
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Gee Markpeg you are so fair and honest with your statement. You would make a great politician. By the way if you look on Obama's website there are even
more anti-semetic comments plus a comment on a terrorist "hero". Unless he had them pulled off his site, they were there as of Saturday. BTW McCain
is hardly a conservative.
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Banglebabe |
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Well since it's come down between these two, my vote will be going to Obama this election. ![]() |
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ganjavih |
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By the way if you look on Obama's website there are even more anti-semetic comments plus a comment on a terrorist "hero".
What were the comments? |
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martyirish |
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Dear Fort Worth Star Telegram writers, editors, and employees:
I send the best to you, hoping it will motivate you, hoping it will bring back investigative journalism and independent action. Rich Carroll articulates the thoughts that have been on many people's minds. America's voters need you? --- Basil Garrett ==================================================== The Jihad Candidate - by Rich Carroll Conspiracy theories make for interesting novels when the storyline is not so absurd that it can grasp our attention. 'The Manchurian Candidate' and 'Seven Days in May' are examples of plausible chains of events that captures the reader's imagination at best-seller level. 'What if' has always been the solid grist of fiction. Get yourself something cool to drink, find a relaxing position, but before you continue, visualize the television photos of two jet airliners smashing into the Twin Towers in lower Manhattan and remind yourself this cowardly act of Muslim terror was planned for eight years. How long did it take Islam and their oil money to find a candidate for President of the United States? As long as it took them to place a Senator from Illinois and Minnesota? The same amount of time to create a large Muslim enclave in Detroit? The time it took them to build over 2,000 mosques in America? The same amount of time required to place radical wahabbist clerics in our military and prisons as 'chaplains'? Find a candidate who can get away with lying about their father being a 'freedom fighter' when he was actually part of the most corrupt and violent government in Kenya's history. Find a candidate with close ties to The Nation of Islam and the violent Muslim overthrow in Africa, a candidate who is educated among white infidel Americans but hides his bitterness and anger behind a superficial toothy smile. Find a candidate who changes his American name of Barry to the Muslim name of Barak Hussein Obama, and dares anyone to question his true ties under the banner of 'racism'. Nurture this candidate in an atmosphere of anti-white American teaching and surround him with Islamic teachers. Provide him with a bitter, racist, anti-white, anti-American wife, and supply him with Muslim middle east connections and Islamic monies. Allow him to be clever enough to get away with his anti-white rhetoric and proclaim he will give $834 billion taxpayer dollars to the Muslim controlled United Nationsfor use in Africa. Install your candidate in an atmosphere of deception because questioning him on any issue involving Africa or Islam would be seen as 'bigoted racism'; two words too powerful to allow the citizenry to be informed of facts. Allow your candidate to employ several black racist Nation of Islam Louis Farrakhan followers as members of his Illinois Senatorial and campaign staffs. Where is the bloodhound American 'free press' who doggedly overturned every stone in the Watergate case? Where are our nation's reporters that have placed every Presidential candidate under the microscope of detailed scrutiny; the same press who pursue Bush's 'Skull and Bones' club or ran other candidates off with persistent detective and research work? Why haven't 'newsmen' pursued the 65 blatant lies told by this candidate during the Presidential primaries? Where are the stories about this candidate's cousin and the Muslim butchery in Africa? Since when did our national press corps become weak, timid, and silent? Why haven't they regaled us with the long list of socialists and communists who have surrounded this 'out of nowhere' Democrat candidate or that his church re-printed the Hamas Manifesto in their bulletin, and that his 'close pastor friend and mentor' met with Middle East terrorist Moammar Gaddafi, (Guide of the First of September Great Revolution of the Socialist People's Libyan Arab Jamahiriya) Why isn't the American press telling us this candidate is supported by every Muslim organization in the world? As an ultimate slap in the face, be blatant in the fact your candidate has ZERO interest in traditional American values and has the most liberal voting record in U.S. Senate history. Why has the American main stream media clammed-up on any negative reporting on Barak Hussein Obama? Why will they print Hillary Rodham Clinton's name but never write his middle name? Is it not his name? Why, suddenly, is ANY information about this candidate not coming from main stream media, but from the blogosphere by citizens seeking facts and the truth? Why isn't our media connecting the dots with Islam? Why do they focus on 'those bad American soldiers' while Islam slaughters non Muslims daily in 44 countries around the globe? Why does our media refer to Darfur as 'ethnic cleansing' instead of what it really is; Muslims killing non Muslims! There is enough strange, anti-American activity surrounding Barak Hussein Obama to peek the curiosity of any reporter. WHERE IS OUR INVESTIGATIVE MEDIA!? A formal plan for targeting America was devised three years after the Iranian revolution in 1982. The plan was summarized in a 1991 memorandum by Mohamed Akram, an operative of the global Muslim Brotherhood. 'The process of settlement' of Muslims in America, Akram explained, 'is a civilization jihad process.' This means that members of the Brotherhood must understand that their work in 'America is a kind of grand jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and sabotaging its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God's religion is made victorious over all other religions.' There is terrorism we can see, smell and fear, but there is a new kind of terror invading The United States in the form of Sharia law and finance. Condoning it is civilization suicide. Middle East Muslims are coming to America in record numbers and building hate infidel mosques, buying our corporations, suing us for our traditions, but they and the whole subject of Islam is white noise leaving uninformed Americans about who and what is really peaceful. Where is our investigative press? Any criticism of Islam or their intentions, even though Islamic leaders state their intentions daily around the globe, brings-forth a volley of 'racist' from the left-wing Democrat crowd. Lies and deception behind a master plan - the ingredients for 'The Manchurian Candidate' or the placement of an anti-American President in our nation's White House? Is it mere coincidence that an anti-capitalist run for President at the same time Islamic sharia finance and law is trying to make advancing strides into the United States? Is it mere coincidence this same candidate wants to dis-arm our nuclear capability at a time when terrorist Muslim nations are expanding their nuclear weapons capability? Is it mere coincidence this candidate wants to reduce our military at a time of global jihad from Muslim nations? Change for America? What change? To become another 'nation of Islam'? |
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http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/10/map.explainer/index.html
this map is very scary... |
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quote from kramer12345 BTW McCAIN is hardly a conservative _________________ I agree,...anyone who has been paying attention to american politics for very long will tell you,. ...McCAIN has always been a 'mavrick'....perhaps,... b/c McCAINs hair is silver,..the new here may not yet know McCAIN's early chapters ? ..OBAMA has charged it might be the third term of BUSH,...if McCAIN gets elected,.. ...McCAIN has a different light and easy sort of address....a McCAIN Town-Hall speech,... is 'soothing and fun',... Pres BUSH#43 told very few jokes during the 8 years,.. McCAIN's 'senate style manners' in stark contrast;... to Pres BUSH#43rd's cowboy 'bring it on !' political stance I think the history books will someday record Pres BUSH #43 as being one of the 'most-hot-tempered-and-fire-brand-type' of all the american Presidents. McCAIN will fill the WHITE HOUSE with the best people and it is exciting to think about who McCAIN will bring in to top posts. The cost of gasoline in america is getting more expensive,..McCAIN has a plan for a 'Summer-Fed-Gas-Tax-Holiday' thats sounds wonderful ! McCAIN seems to be looking out for the average america better than anyone before,..I'd enjoy having the 'Gas-Tax-Holiday" ! OBAMA said the average american would only save about $28 dollars a month if McCAIN's 'Summer-Fed-Gas-Tax-Holiday' was a law.... .I guess to OBAMA my $28 dollars isn't much,..but to me,..it is an important sum of money ! My main idea is that McCAIN is the candidate who will work to cut and control the cost of gasoline,. ..McCAIN ideas sound better on keeping fuel costs low,...thats a good reason to vote for McCAIN ! ,Stardettes
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The Vice President pick could make all the dif.
Pres BUSH#43 a very long time ago,..got a leg up on Al GORE,..by telling the PRESS Colin POWELL would be back. In a world where most careers are built up,..OBAMA has a lack of experience problem. The new factor has sold well for OBAMA,...but the negative side of a scantly clad resume could hurt OBAMA during the general election. In some kind of cosmic joke,...DODD ?,...who got about 1% of the primary vote might be OBAMA's V.P.??? , ..or EDWARDS another 1-5% primary vote getter ??? Both McCAIN and OBAMA are shopping around for a Vice President. There is a big need on the OBAMA ticket for experience and McCAIN needs somebody like HUCKABEE or Mitt ROMNEY to bring in the votes. ,Stardettes |
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i swear from that map i posted the url for, even if you divide the "undecided" crazy mccain wins by like 4..... how scary is THAT?!?! obama NEEDS
hillary to win. period. been saying this for years man!! this is not even funny how weird all this election crap is now...... *shudders*
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Personally I think Huckabee should be obliterated. Just my opinion.
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Thursday June 12th, 2008
In the old days, HEMMINGWAY and F.Scott FITZGERALD would sit around at the sidewalk Cafe in Paris, the words flying off their pens,....line after line,... ...both of them trying to put on paper,... all that happened in a groovy dream,. .. that flashed across a mellow nights sleep in Paris,... like a different light .... that had suddenly started crossing the evening sky ... with a long sparkly comet tail,... waving a very bright shower of sparks in its wake. The writers here at this Bangles messageboard are having fun posting remarks and little essays about the general election of 'o8. The writings are interesting to look at. Iam not here to change anyone's mind,.. .....I know some people write and hope to convince and persuade others to Vote for a certain candidate or not,... .....I just try to offer the readers perspective. The BANGLES are a wonderful rock and roll music band,...and the fans of the BANGLES ,... 'the american voters',...feel there is a big need, to either get things done ?,...or undone ?,.. .The fans of the Bangles want the Candidates to promise to work on the important issues the BANGLES fans care about with a sense of urgency. Hillary on her first solo time down the runway of american Presidential politics,...won all the big States, (includ,..Cal & Texas !), and now the political Pollsters wonder if Hillary's fans will pulll a doll revolution in the general election of 'o8 and cross the lane to Vote for John McCAIN ??? McCAIN has a dignified bearing with a cool and calm composure. McCAIN is more meticulous in his thinking, than a first time Voter may think.... All over the place you see people are talking in excitement about the fact that in just a few months someone new will be elected to become America's #44th President. The BANGLES have illuminated this wonderful messageboard for our words,...and that helps americans look for a better day.... This messageboard is a good thing that helps the fans of the Bangles share ideas and talk about what makes america one of the best nations on earth. I have been trying to put my best manners on display,...Iam a Bangles music fan and I enjoy writing about politics, I have been trying to be as polite as possible,. ..I think some of the writers are sometimes upset and this Bangles messageboard helps reduce stress,..people feel better after posting remarks. The music from the Ballroom was grand and while the Bangles played electric rock and roll music the mood was mellow. Everything in life,....is much better with Bangles music,...as some of the poets in the audience here will tell you. I think it all comes down to good manners and being polite to others,... I say a big 'thank you !' to everyone who has written so far to this topic-thread...american politics is interesting,... writing to this messageboard makes my life less boring. I learned about this marvel of messageboard,..(the return-post-off-topics section), ... when the Bangles sang and played music in a softy lit chandeliered Ballroom,.. ....somebody gave me the computer address at the merchant's Bangles-Tee-shirt shop table. ,Stardettes
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I read today that Obama's net worth is about 7 million dollars, while McCain's (with his wife's father's dough in beer) is about 39.5 million
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Date: Friday Afternoon, June 13th, 2008
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Date Sunday June 15, 2008
Perhaps the most surprising aspect of the early episodes of 'Campaign 'o8' is how much it centered on not the President, BUSH #43rd, ,....but on the wife of the 42nd President,..Hillary CLINTON, (a Senator from New York),.... the focus of the spotlight was on Senator Hillary CLINTON D-N.Y.,...and not President (BUSH #43),... Mrs CLINTON played a much larger role in campaign 'o8 than her spouse, this time,...She won big States,... Hillary won the Democratic Primary in California in Feb of 'o8. The CLINTON proposal to fully seat 100% of the delegates from Florida and Michigan at the Denver Convention was defeated by the DNC Rules By-Laws Cmte. A group of Hillary supporters, mostly women have gone belly up and now promise to vote for McCAIN. The chief reason alot of Hillary for President ! fans say they will vote for McCAIN is that the Hillary fans feel like they lost their shirts !,... when the DNC Rules & By-Laws Cmte acted. Hillary supporters who now plan to cross the lane and vote for John McCAIN,.. say Hillary netted more total popular Votes overall and that the DNC ruling to bar and limit the delegates of FLA & Mich to just 1/2 Vote each,.... ...was not very fair to Hillary. Hillary wanted to be seen as as moderate democrat,... ..thusly most Hillary fans felt in 'o8 she was the more conservative of the two democrats, ....and perhaps thats now the reason why McCAIN answers those Hillary fan's lingering questions about her rival's limited experience,... so perfectly.... Hillary's mantra has always been;..'work hard,..&...play-by-therules'.... ,Stardettes
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Date Tuesday June 17th, 2008
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Date Wen June 18th, 2008
I rise this A.M. in support of Pres BUSH#43's idea of allowing new drilling exploration to begin for Oil off the coasts of America, in Alaska, and also in the gulf waters near Texas and Florida. When a problem like a lack of an important resource like fuel happens,... america should let itself start up new Oil rigs in deep water off the shores of the USA. Today Pres BUSH talked about asking both houses of CONGRESS to allow new Oil drilling in Alaska. Pres BUSH was correct when Pres BUSH#43 said the cost of gasoline in America would be lower if ....CONGRESS permits new Oil platforms to be built in 'o9 & 2010. Pres BUSH#43 said;...' the USA needs more energy',... and that, ...' the new Rigs could start sending the USAmuch needed cheap fresh barrels of 'american sweet crude Oil !' Pres BUSH#43 wants the new Oil drills in place working as soon as possible. When Pres CLINTON #42 was in OFFICE a gallon of gasoline never cost more than $2.25 cents in America. Pres BUSH #43 said today; (June '08),... that the #44th Pres in 'o9 will need the new Oil b/c america keeps on using more and more fuel and energy each year..... Pres BUSH #43 says; '...it's time to get ready for the future !'. Pres BUSH has a good idea b/c. ..with new American Oil Rigs in 'o9 helping the USA,...gas will cost much less in the USA. ,Stardettes
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Date Thurs eve, June 2008 To let it be,...will be easy,...in about 140 days from now,... on the day after the election,..after I have Voted,..I consider my duty done. If McCAIN wins,..I will be happy. If OBAMA wins the election,..I will have to accept the results of the election and get back to work. Until election eve,..on that not too far away Nov 'o8 evening,...I plan to have fun grabbing a pen,..and dashing off a cable to any and all. America is one of the great nations of the world,..tonite Iam saying little prayers for the people in Iowa who are being flooded out. McCAIN's energy plan is carefully written,..perhaps it will take a new generation and another decade to rediscover the greatness of McCAIN plan to drill for Oil off america's coasts. McCAIN's energy plan is for mature persons in a mature world. The prophecy McCAIN advances is America will need more Oil in the future,...and America needs to lift the ban on off-shore drilling to get ready for the future. OBAMA is not in favor of lifting the ban on Off-shore Oil rigs,...OBAMA would rather do nothing, and OBAMA wants to keep on puttering around while the cost of a gallon of gasoline keeps rising in America. McCAIN knows there is lots of Oil under the oceans near america's coasts. McCAIN says if it takes seven years for the new Oil rigs to be built,..the time is now to get started !. ,Stardettes
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Gee, Stardettes, you used to pride yourself on starting off each of your posts by loudly proclaiming "I am a Liberal Democrat". What's happened
to you?
A McCain government means four to eight more years of war. Is that what you want for your country? |
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markpeg wrote:
I doubt that war on terror will just end if we pull out of Iraq. I haven't heard anything about that war on drugs officially ending yet. I'm
surprised war on climate change hasn't been started yet.
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What's happened to you ? (a question from markpeg to Stardettes). ________________ Date Monday June 23rd, 2008 I want our side to win,....the big change on Iraq-policy for me started I think just before Christmas 2007, ..in late 2006 I had a chance to chat with old friends, and we thought about it,...about Iraq and soon we all got to a point we could all agree on,... our main idea is,... the enemy has no business shooting at our brave field Army ! Any sane person can see our troops are trying to help fix up IRAQ,...the enemy is bad and the enemy should be defeated. Thank you markpeg for taking notice of my change of stand on Iraq,...thank you for asking the question. I am sorry I feel so rotten about it,... everyone hates war,.....but Iam sick and tired of the enemy attacking our US ARMY. All of my friends from 2002,...all of us,..we didn't want the war with Iraq to start,... I guess as a 'liberal democrat',..back in 2002,..I would have Voted 'No !' on the Resolution to take over Iraq,... it passed,....the anti-war side lost,.... 77 to 22,... (with one not voting). btw Senators CLINTON,...KERRY and EDWARDS,..all voted in favor,..with 'YES ! votes. Thank you markpeg for asking me this important question b/c,... I got mad that the enemy was still fighting our heros in the US MILITARY. I think that after the war in Iraq got started,..that the natives of IRAQ should have played 'fair and square' The natives of Iraq should earn power thru legal voting and elections. Everyone in Iraq should try to get along and live with the US MILITARY while it is in IRAQ. The big change for me was that the surge could work and that the surge was needed b/c the enemy was being bad again. I think the surge has worked nicely,....I happy the enemy has lost....The natives of IRAQ should not try to harm the US ARMY !!! A McCAIN government will bring the best defense and the best protection against the enemy,..thats why I plan to vote for McCAIN. I think if the enemy wants PEACE,..the enemy should lay down its guns and should stop fighting. When the USA's field ARMY arrived in IRAQ,...the natives had a chance to get started anew in the new government of IRAQ,..or to turn out-law. The enemy in Iraq is no one you can make a friend of,..the enemy is no better than a rat or a bug,. ..I hope another surge happens if the enemy doesn't cool it. America is one of the great nations,...in politics we all play for the same crowds,....liberals sit near the middle of the bench, ...with the moderates,.. In america we all want our US Military to win ....left wing or right wing ,...we are all on the same team ! The surge has worked,..life is getting slowly better in IRAQ,..sometimes there are setbacks and bad days. The good people of IRAQ do not like the out-law enemy,....the surge was designed to put the enemy out of action,..so free elections could happen. The big change for me is... I want our side, (The US ARMY & MARINES)...to win the war in IRAQ. The enemy in IRAQ should stop fighting and shooting at our brave troopers,..when the cease-fire happens,...maybe the US can leave. F.D.R. and Pres JOHNSON both men took on the 'liberal' label. Franklin kept america out of WW2 until the 1941 Japanese war machine attacked Pearl Harbor, F.D.R. was the liberal of 'the NEW DEAL'. F.D.R. the liberal lion of the left arrived to help American recover from the GREAT DEPRESSION It was a good thing that F.D.R. decided to help the UNITED KINGDOM. Pres JOHNSON did important work on Education and Civil Rights,...L.B.J. was a 'liberal',...who on military issues decided to escalate.
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